Meet The Brothers Representing England: Be Obsessed OR Someone Takes Your Spot! (RWC Winner's Sons)

Charlie and Jack Bracken, sons of World Cup winner Kyran Bracken, reveal how rejection, rivalry, and relentless training shaped their rise through Saracens and England’s youth ranks.

Charlie and Jack Bracken are professional rugby players for Saracens and sons of Kyran Bracken, England’s 2003 World Cup-winning scrum-half. Both brothers began at St Albans Rugby Club and progressed through the Saracens academy while representing England at age-grade levels.

Charlie, a scrum-half, made his Saracens debut in 2022 and has 14 England U20 caps. Jack, a wing/fullback, made his U20 debut in 2024 with a hat-trick and went on to win the U20 World Championship. Together, they share the highs, lows, and mindset shifts that fuel their journey—on and off the pitch.

In this episode, Charlie and Jack revealed:
◽️ How backyard games with their World Cup-winning dad kickstarted their rugby obsession
◽️ The moment Jack walked away from football to chase his England dream—and delivered a U20 World Cup hat-trick
◽️ How Charlie turned Oxford rejection into motivation to double down on rugby at Loughborough
◽️ What really happens when you lose a challenge at Saracens (yes, Charlie did sing live on Instagram)
◽️ Why they believe mental toughness—not raw talent—is the “untrained 50%” that separates good from great

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⏱ Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:06 Charlie on starting rugby
02:26 Jack on rugby getting serious
02:55 Jack choosing rugby over football
04:00 Charlie on school and rugby
05:19 Are players born or made?
07:01 Saracens culture explained
08:49 Jack joining Saracens rebuild
10:27 Jack’s big game in Championship
11:19 Charlie’s path to main team
13:08 Charlie choosing England over Ireland
15:22 Charlie improving kicking skills
17:59 Charlie’s passing stats
18:35 Playing for England feelings
20:42 Jack’s England youth and World Cup
22:16 Importance of mental strength
24:02 Need for mindset training
25:08 Staying strong after bad games
27:31 Hard work inspiring others
29:23 Handling pressure in games
30:54 Focusing on present moment
32:36 Henry Pollock’s impact
35:16 Rugby’s future growth
37:15 Talking about being outgoing
38:52 Saracens dice roll punishments
41:37 Balancing university and rugby
43:39 Plans after rugby
45:56 Legacy and how to be remembered
47:52 Questions they wish asked
49:18 Habits they had to change
50:50 Messages on gratitude and life
52:07 Motivational questions between brothers
55:20 Rugby idols they admire
57:36 Goals to join first team
58:58 Long-term rugby dreams
59:13 How they want to be remembered
1:00:12 Key takeaways for listeners
1:03:17 Final thoughts
1:04:10 Outro

📌 Resources
Charlie Bracken
◽️ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/charliebracken9/?hl=en-gb

Jack Bracken
◽️ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jbracken_/

Harvey Bracken-Smith:
◽️ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/harveybracken-smith
◽️ Instagram: instagram.com/harveybsmith
◽️ X (Twitter): x.com/harveybsmith_

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